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All Hail Dair! 'Take me there' [Part 3]
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| patricia | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 01:12 | Сообщение # 6016 |
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| Все, Хел, пошла я спать. Зарядка садится, завтра на работу... Одно радует - морозы, кажется, ударили)
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| BAMF | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 01:17 | Сообщение # 6017 |
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| Quote (patricia) Все, Хел, пошла я спать. Зарядка садится, завтра на работу... Одно радует - морозы, кажется, ударили)
Гуд найт, дарлинг
Сладких тебе! мне уже тоже давно пора, но с тобой зависла и YT. 
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| lune_rouge | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 01:38 | Сообщение # 6018 |
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| Quote (trippa) О, нам дали сник-пик
Мерси за такой приятный сюрприз
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| BAMF | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 01:49 | Сообщение # 6019 |
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| Quote (lune_rouge) Мерси за такой приятный сюрприз
Тебе перевод нужен? Скинуть мой вариант?
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| lune_rouge | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 01:51 | Сообщение # 6020 |
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| trippa,Спасибо, было бы классно!)
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| BAMF | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 01:54 | Сообщение # 6021 |
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| Quote (lune_rouge) trippa,Спасибо, было бы классно!)
В л.с. я непрфессиональный переводчик, а самасебекакзнаютаки понимаю. Ща скину. Могут быть огрехи по цитатам, но общей сути не изменит. 
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| GossipFan | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 06:22 | Сообщение # 6022 |
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Dair: Four years in the making...(In which I over analyse this illogical show)
Okay so lets talk story arcs here. Because the most humorous argument I see against D/B is that they’ve ‘only been going on for half a season’ and that C/B has been happening 4 1/2 years-which although a totally empty point (since when did the length of a relationship relate to the quality of it?) it is also a false one. First let us remember that Blair is her own character. She is not just part of chuckandblair as much as her storyline focus of the last few seasons would suggest otherwise. And at the beginning there was this fragile girl. Her family had fallen apart, Serena had been away, Nate was somewhere else in his head. Your best friend sleeping with your boyfriend. The two people you trusted most in the world and they broke that. It’s easy to underestimate how much that could effect a person, Blair. Blair already had an inferiority complex next to Serena can you imagine how much that intensified when her prince, her first love choose to have his first time (something B had clearly idealised in her mind) with Serena. This girl who is never alone, surrounded by ‘minions’, popular but oh so so lonely.
Then there was Dan ‘lonely boy’ who never quite fit. Who begrudged the reality that if he was going to get the future he desired he’d have to be part of a world he was yet to understand. His family were falling apart but he would rarely dwell on it. It is clear however he was angry and bitter about his mothers treatment of him and the family in 1x04 and again when she visits in the thanksgiving episode.
It wasn’t focused on as much with Dan so it’s easy to forget but he and Blair do share that loss. That sense of abandonment by their parents. Her Dad and his Mum. It’s interesting because ultimately as loving as their parents are when they are with them, they still put themselves first. Blair’s dad moved to France. Dan’s mother to Hudson. It is probably not intentional but I find it interesting how that is reflected in Blair and Dan’s romantic relationships. They are both very giving in their relationships but their former loves just haven’t cared as much. They’ve never given or sacrificed as much. Chuck and Serena aren’t comparable of course. Serena’s treatment of Dan is no where near the league of Chucks of Blair (is anyone’s?!) I think Dan and Serena were what each other needed for a certain time in their lives. And also think her and Dan’s issues were very much both their issues in the first season. And Serena is loving, but she is a free spirit. I love that about her, it is a great trait but it also instigates flightiness. I think it is why Blair struggles with with her at times and what Dan struggled with too. Because his mum was clearly the same. It is not wrong for Serena to be a free spirit, she should be with someone who values that part of her (Nate? Carter?) who isn’t scared of it. But in the same way Dan deserves someone who he knows will be there, someone he knows needs him and him specifically to be there.‘It’s not Brooklyn I’m here for.’
It is not selfish for them to want that. Heck even if it is, it’s also entirely human. It is why I think Dan and Serena no longer work well together. It is why I think Dan understands Blair as well as he does because he knows that she is the same way. She likes being needed. I think it is part of what keeps her going back to Chuck in a way. Because she according to him is the only one he needs. Everyone else leaves but Chuck always comes back because he needs her and only her (It’s been shown that this isn’t true, but these two are kind of mythological about themselves, so it is what they choose to believe) Of course Chuck took advantage of that and that’s part of where it all went wrong and part of where their dysfunction lies.
The great thing about Dan and Blair if they did ever get into a romantic relationship (if this show makes any sense in any way) is that they would feel needed mutually and give mutually but that wouldn’t be taken advantage of because they both know what being on the receiving end of that can feel. Their friendship already hints at this dynamic. Their interactions across the last five seasons have as well. All of course starting with 1.04. Dan shared something about himself, something he hadn’t shared with Serena, or his family. How insecure and and resentful he felt. He read Blair and he knew that is what she needed in order to feel brave. It is a link that has only become stronger. In 5x03 Dan says something along the lines of
‘if you have the courage to face your future then I should have the courage to face mine.’
I mean what a connection to have. That line alone indicates that this is a two way street. They give each other strength!
‘With Chuck I feel like a weak little girl.’ See what I’m getting at.
Blair can be her real self with Dan. Her vulnerable self and instead of using that as leverage he helps her feel stronger and in doing so he feels stronger too.. I think Blair’s known that since 1.04. She hadn’t treated Dan with any compassion before that point. There was no need for him to go there. There was absolutely nothing in it for him. It is not as if either of them would tell Serena. Yet he sits down and shares a part of himself that he hadn’t with anyone else at that point. She still tries to Blair Waldorf him
‘normally I wouldn’t be this close to you without a tetanus shot’.
But he gives his now token Blair smile and he still sits down because he finally gets it, her. Why she puts up this pretence. Because he had been doing exactly the same thing. It is something else they have in common. Putting up a front. It’s more obvious with Blair what with her whole Queen B persona. But Dan had it too. Still does to a far less extent, I think he has come to terms with who he is in the last season or so. His being judgemental of the UEA. Of Blair and Serena. It hid how out of depth he probably felt. How insecure he felt next to these strong characters. How scared he was about his future, who he was. And when Blair asks him ‘why?’ that’s her getting what he is giving her. Getting that sitting on floor and being honest and fragile is okay with Dan Humphrey. I think that is one thing I’m not over analysing because the writers seem to get this. I think it is why they wrote such pivotal scenes for them that spread right across the series. In 2x08 this happens again. Dan is first person she admits to that she loves Chuck. And Blair sees loving Chuck as a weakness at this point (kinda ironic I guess) but she knows that in spite of what everything else that goes on between them, the snark, the put-downs he will never hold her vulnerability against her. He helps her feel brave. His strength supplies her with strength and her needing his strength makes him feel stronger and needed. It is the best possible pattern because no-one loses in it. Like they do with their other relationships.
Again in 3x18 Dan gives her strength at least for a little while, not to dwell on her break up with Chuck. He tells her she deserves to be happy. Obviously a keen indicator of what he goes on to give her in season 4 and presently. But it’s also important as a line on it’s own. Because she does and in her c/b doom she’d forgotten this. Even before that. I hear C/B fans use the argument that happiness isn’t a constant state. That every relationship has their up and downs. But no relationship should put Blair in the head state that she don’t deserve any happiness…That no-one else could want you. How Chuck had treated her helped her feel that low. That small. That undesirable. Unwanted. Ain’t epic love grand?!
Even the throwaway line in 3x02 did this to an extent. ‘No headbands in college’. To just be Blair. Not Blair Waldorf. The amount of times Dan has been there for Blair even before their season 4 arc in comparison to Chuck is kinda hilarious. Chair fans think we always have to compare to the two couples to prop our ship. But it isn’t that. It is horrible writing and also the unfortunate but unmistakable truth that so much of Blair’s characterisation has been to tied to Chuck and chuckandblair that it is impossible not to discuss them. Just gonna take some snippets of a discussion I had the other day with Rebecca which seemed to fit here. In regards to Chucks line: ‘Next time you forget you’re Blair Waldorf, remember I’m Chuck Bass and I love you’
I hate how he say’s as if it’s some sort of achievement on her part. Like she had to work to get him to love her…ow much of her self esteem is built upon how he feels about her, how much it continues to be.
Even earlier in the above episode she’s all ‘I’m going to tell you how I got the great Chuck Bass to love me’ to her minions which is wrong on many levels. 1) being: I love that Blair in the past has had to work hard for everything she wants, it isn’t handed to her because of who she is unlike some of the other characters it is one of my favourite parts about her, how determined she is. But the one thing she shouldn’t have to work for is someone to love her. It part of what make D/B so great, neither of them planned this, it just kinda of crept up on them. 2) Since when was Chuck Basses love something to be won? I thought this at the time when I still liked C/B. In s1 Blair didn’t want anyone to know about her and Chuck because he was Chuck Bass-shown to the world as a kind of unapologetic playboy and sleaze. Like if anything it should of been about him winning her love rather than the other way round. S2 obviously changed this dynamic but still it grates on me-Chuck was never some guy other girls would be envious of if you had him..
Yeah like I understand how c/b fans might think that stuff was sweet but really it just kind of a false sense of entitlement. Gestures that don’t really do anything to comfort. The one that gets me the most is how he got her into Columbia. I get that it was supposed to be some sort of sweet gesture after the hotel trading messiness(even just writing that out seems ridiculous!) but he her took agency away. I feel like the Blair of s1 or s2 would of hated that, would have been determined to do it herself but the Blair that ties her worth to Chuck just got all googly eyed over it. What makes it even worse that he tried to take it away from her in s4. You’re right though he only helped her a couple of times, but he never really talked to her on a level. Like the above example was meant to be a pep-talk, one of the few they had and it ended up being about him. Surprise, surprise.
I think season 3 served Dan really well. His edges softened once he realised he had become comfortable with being an insider, but also towing that line between Brooklyn and the UEA. I don’t think it was a particularly good season of TV. I was barely invested in it by that point (GOOD TIMES) I still liked C/B then but s3 proved to me at least how un-like 19 year olds C/B were when you compared them to Dan who was just like a standard college guy. It was strange because what had made c/b interesting to me was essentially their sexual chemistry. The games stuff got kind of headache inducing to a point. And they couldn’t do those games once they were in a relationship (When they did, he did, it was catastrophic) And then they took the sex out too. Like it was weird it just pin-pointed how little these two had in common. That hey don’t share similar dreams, goals, values, outlook, hobbies, philosophy on life. In my re-watch it was really difficult to watch how many times Chuck rejected her not just emotionally but in terms of sex. Especially when you consider her history with Nate, hey even Marcus. It was these subtle knocks to the self of esteem (which were taken to the next level with the IP)that lead her to how she felt in 3x18, how she still feels now. That she is undeserving of feeling wanted, loved, happy. Most of B’s storyline (as it has continued to be since that point) was about Chuck and his stuff and it was just no fun.
Then huzzah season four happened and we saw what dair wishers had always suspected: that there was even more to the dair connection. They had always been the most academic of characters. They cared the most about school. Their grades. Their futures. Dan had always been fantastically pretentious in his tastes, and Blair had that capacity too. She dreams in old hollywood for crying out loud. But that part of her character had been hidden, dumbed down. Sacrificed for the chair ship. Because her and chuck connection was sex, power-plays, games, money,status that by association and by having all her storylines centred around Chuck that was what she became about. But here we were watching her be challenged in a way that would satisfy her not cause her harm in hurtful game. She was stimulated. And you know it was so fun to watch. Blair doesn’t let Dan get away with anything, nor him her. None of their pretensions suffice. I’ve never seen Dan so confident, self assured, he’d finally found someone who was drawn to the same things as him, but had her own individual take( I think had always been drawn to Blair’s complexity to some extent but through this discovery of their common interests he was drawn in deeper. I think Blair was drawn into his complexity to. There was more to him then she expected. More than she took at face value.) So they end up bringing out the best out of each other. Were the most enjoyable and interesting to watch.
In 4x22 among so many things that were wrong with that episode there was a moment and I think someone else has pointed this out as well where Blair references a film (really can’t bear re-watching to know the specifics) and Chuck gives her this look like he is humouring her. Like she is saying something crazy. I wonder if it was intentional because you know if that had been to Dan he would have had some witty, knowing response as a retort. To me it was just another thing that showed how little there was to the c/b relationship (I don’t doubt that they love each other btw. BELEIVE ME I get it by this point. But all these dark/light/destiny talks seem just to be cover how little of a relationship they have. That is what I’m getting from the writers.That they can’t write anything of substance for C/B so they have them float around these meaningless words.)
I went off point there but what I was getting at is these two similarities and journeys in terms of academia are intriguing. Honestly I think Blair if she wasn’t in the UEA wouldn’t have this ’popularity’, this queen thing that her riches and her status lends her. As a person she struggles with social graces. At times she is uncomfortable in her own skin. She is more like Dan than she’d care to admit. It is what I adore about her character, what makes me continually connect to her too. Her and Dan both have this tangible vulnerability (really apologise for the amount of times I have used that word!) which makes them my favourites, for me the most relatable characters individually but also what I think they see in each other too.
I think another thing that has been shown in the series is that these two characters both have trust issues due to their relationships with their parents and with their exes but they deal in a different way. Dan goes in full throttle until someone does something to break that trust and he finds it difficult to recover. Whereas Blair struggles and takes a long time to let people in and yet once she does, no matter what they do she is loyal, no matter how much it hurts her she sticks by them. And yet with each other there has always been a hint of this ability to trust each other. It has obviously built to a large extent through their friendship. Because they have never compromised themselves for the other, cared what the other one thought of them, so they take what the other says as truth.
People say Dan doesn’t understand the real Blair. The ‘dark Blair’ that only Chuck gets apparently, that he will judge her as he did with Serena. But it is different because he didn’t know all of Serena before he fell for her. He has met pretty much every facet of Blair and he has only fallen more in love with her. The clip that was just released for 5x11 pretty much sums this stuff up. They trust each other. And he knows exactly how she works. And what d’ya know he is still in love with her. Probably because he doesn’t see it as ‘dark’ but just as one part of Blair. He knows her games and schemes aren’t all of her. They don’t define her whole character as they do when she’s with Chuck.
‘With you it was always schemes and take downs, that’s not really her. She’s intelligent she’s intuitive. She weeps when she watches ‘Nights of Cabiria’
Pretty much says it all. He is aware of that part of her. But knows that is not all she is.
Also as a side-note, yes Chuck knows Blair. That is undeniable. He knows her so well that he knew every button to push in order for her to sleep with his attempted rapist uncle for his hotel. Watch that episode again, and everything Chuck does, every mannerism, everything he says or doesn’t say is a deliberate action to push her into that trade. He even did in a way that makes her feel responsible, that is how deep it goes. So yes he knows Blair but I wouldn’t necessarily take that as a positive for C/B.
Obviously I don’t think the show just revolves about d/b(It revolves around Chuck lol. FOREVER BITTER.) As much as I wish this was the d/b show because it would be a hell of a lot more entertaining, I can’t help but feel that at least part of each others growth and journey was to each other. His relationships, what he went through with Milo, his and Blair’s encounters to that point, it feels like they were building so he’s be ready to fall for her. And maybe she is getting to place where she could feel that someone else could fall for her other than Chuck, someone could choose her over S. And she could fall for them too. I just think her story is taking a heck of a lot longer because of this fairytale stupidity and also plausible deniability thy name is Blair Waldorf.
I know people are frustrated. Think things are too one-sided. But we have to remember that in Blair’s eyes that kiss meant nothing to Dan. That is what he told her. He is just being a good friend. With Blair’s passivity and lack of POV the writers are making it harder for the audience to understand her. Along with this royal wedding. Blair’s character is being butchered because of the writers prioritising this dream wedding over her character. But she has so much on her plate right now. Honestly I don’t want Dan to get tied up in that mess. From the writers pov, they might be creating some separation between a romantic relationship between the two while maintaining c/b and the wedding storyline. Don’t get me wrong this wedding storyline is a pain in the ass. Blair always being about Chuck is beyond a pain in the ass. (As much as I hated the storyline please let B care more about her baby than damn Chuck.) But like it or not they are part of the show. Chuck isn’t going to disappear. But Blair and Dan are obviously have their own story too. One that has lasted longer than anything else in this show. The awesome of them on screen is one of the view consistency’s in this show. We don’t know what’s to come but Blair not having read Dans book means something. There is a reason she is so in denial about that. I just think Blair needs Dan a lot right now. He loves her, and he is first and foremost her friend so he’ll be there for her. That is what friends do. She doesn’t know about his feelings. She doesn’t owe him anything in that regard. He is her friend so she is telling him about her problems. She feels that close to him that she can do that. And Blair doesn’t just bear all with just anyone. Blair is always givingivingiving and now she has someone there for her (I’m not disregarding Blairena I just don’t think their relationship is what it was in s1/2) and I think Dan in spite of himself wants to be there for her, of course he does he cares about her! When her storyline gives her room I suspect she will be there for him in some capacity too. It was probably be done in a Blair way too. He might not even be aware of it. But I just sense something..
Also people think their dynamics changed, miss them talking about the arts etc. I miss that too, I really do. But this is a different story and season. There is so much more going on for Blair’s character than there was last season. But remember that is part of their foundation and that is a hell of a lot stronger a foundation than c/b’s.
Remember how much dair’s relationship is associated with happiness. 3x18. 4x16. 4.22. 5.10 all the evidence is there to show how intertwined dair and happines are and how C/B are not.
“You’re too happy content..” 4x16
“I was happy. Chuck had pulled me into his darkness for so long I’d forgotten what that’d felt like’’ 4x20 I think.
Suffice to say this slow build is killer. But remember it is a slow build, something that is virtually non-exsitant in gg verse and that has to be leading to something. Something pretty meaningful.
So basically that was a really long, rambled way of saying that no, Dan and Blair have an arc that’s lasted a lot longer than half a season. And in my humble opinion it’s the best thing this shows done since season 1. Their relationship is authentic that is not something that has been found in GG for a long time.
Praise you if you read through all that!
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| GossipFan | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 06:24 | Сообщение # 6023 |
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| Dair после сегодняшних спойлеров.
I dare to hope!
C’mon guys! Why is everyone so pessimistic after seeing those promo pics and sneak peak?
We’ve got NOTHING new
We knew long before that Blair will get married, that Chuck and Blair still will have some kind of interaction, that Serena wants Dan back. There was no new intel in those promo pics, so why is everyone so disappointed? Plus, they would never put in promo pics something really huge or surprising.
About Dair sneak peak that so many of us hated…
For me this clip made two points clear:
- Dan is the one who knows every part of Blair, who knows the real Blair Waldorf and loves her for being exactly, who she is.
- Blair trusts Dan completely and can’t lie to him.
I mean like really… she keeps her secret (whatever it is) from everyone, she only allows Dan to break through her armor. I think that’s a huge thing for her, considering that she has trust issues. She is sincere with him. All of her past relationships suffered from a bunch of lies, but with Dan it’s just the opposite. As for Dan, he once again is shown as someone who truly gets her, as someone who can reach to her, who can encourage her. And (what’s really important) she listens to him, like the old times (1x04, 2x08, 3x02). He makes her feel stronger, she’s more confident around him - and that’s the Dair I love.
The second part of the season is only starting
What did we expect? That Blair will be all like “Screw Chuck and his ~magnetic epic luvvvv shit, I love Dan!” in two episodes after 5x10? Things do not go that fast even in GG world (unless it’s Chuck’s ~redemption of course). When Bart was tweeting “Second half of the season won’t disappoint” he meant ALL second part, not just the FIRST EPISODES of the second half.
We survived much worse during the course of the show
We suffered through 4x20 (aka abusegate), bar mitzvah’s WTF, “HAPPINESS IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING”, dairless episodes 5x05-5x07, 5x09, midseason finale’s chair clusterfuck. Now things look much-much brighter and better. I really don’t get why are we losing hope now.
Dair=narrative sence
I’m a student of Directing department. Although I may not be an expert, but I’ve had my fair share of TV shows and movies that we’ve analyzed and studied. GG is not an example of extraordinary or creative writing, they still follow some schemes and standards that are typical in the TV world, they use familiar plots and some well-known clichés. Dair had the best build-up that this show has EVER provided, writers were extremely careful with them. In some sense they even defended them by keeping Blair oblivious to Dan’s feelings towards her, when she’s stuck in chair ~epic luvvv drama. Louis on the other hand has been thrown under the bus, because he’s expendable. Dan is NOT. It was quite obvious from the season premiere that Dair will be season long arc and they will drag them untill the very end of the season. Some may say that this is not a slow burn, but just simply the writer’s refusal to give Dair a fair shot. I don’t subscribe to this point of view. In my opinion writers really wanted the 100th episode to be a wedding of a major character, because in their minds it looks appealing. So they had to drag this stupid wedding storyline and C/B/L triangle for so long to do the wedding in the 100th episode. I know it’s stupid and annoying, but it would be much worse if it was lets say… chair wedding, right? That is also an explanation why some of the episodes in the first half looked like there was nothing happening at all. They just wanted to do wedding in the 100th episode, so they had to drag the plot, simple as that.
Blair is a shitty friend/ she doesn’t appreciate Dan/ Dan deserves better
Again this is such a cliché situation. There is NO WAY there isn’t going to be major payoff down the line when a guy is nothing but perfect, but the girl stays oblivious to it. At some point the realization will come and hit Blair hard. I’ve never seen a plot where the good guy didn’t get the girl. The amount of pain Dan is going through now won’t be for nothing, otherwise the narrative sense gods won’t be happy!
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Now, from the all rules of the sense-making and plot-building Dair should be the story that will be told in the future. So don’t lose hope now! We’ve survived even darker times, and we’ll get trough this again.
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| ErinGray | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 16:36 | Сообщение # 6024 |
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| BAMF | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 20:45 | Сообщение # 6025 |
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| Quote (GossipFan) Praise you if you read through all that!
Ого, сколько кто-то времени убил, чтобы столько написать. Складно вышло.
Quote (GossipFan) - Dan is the one who knows every part of Blair, who knows the real Blair Waldorf and loves her for being exactly, who she is.
- Blair trusts Dan completely and can’t lie to him.
Только о чем он может знать? Есть мысли? Что такого она могла ему поведать?Это я про сник-пик.
Quote (GossipFan) Blair is a shitty friend/ she doesn’t appreciate Dan/ Dan deserves better
Дэн слишком много отдает, а взамен еще ничего не получил, но в этом и есть на мой взгляд основа всей этой истории. Полное противопоставление отношениям CB.
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| BAMF | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 20:55 | Сообщение # 6026 |
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| Чего-то Барт расфлудился.
Теперь мы знаем, что эпизоды писали эти товарищи:
◦5x14 written by Matt Whitney
◦5x15 written by Austin Winsberg
◦5x16 written by Amy Harris
◦5x17 written by Jake Coburn
◦5x18 written by AnneMarie Navar-Gill
Снимать будут последнии серии из 24 до начала апреля включительно.
Сообщение отредактировал trippa - Среда, 11.01.2012, 20:59 |
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| Empire | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 21:14 | Сообщение # 6027 |
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| девочки,кто дома?:)неделю ждать до сериии
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| Kathlin | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 21:15 | Сообщение # 6028 |
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| Empire, Манюнь, я здесь
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| Empire | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 21:18 | Сообщение # 6029 |
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| Kathlin, о моя любовь!
как прошел загул?:)гулена завидую тебе:)))
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| Kathlin | Дата: Среда, 11.01.2012, 21:20 | Сообщение # 6030 |
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| Quote (Empire) о моя любовь!
как прошел загул?:)гулена завидую тебе:)))
загул хорош
как ты? как школа? чем занимаешься вообще?)
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